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Understanding the Natural Realms; Understanding the Mysteries.

Two Kinds of Faith; Two Kinds of Love.

Two Kinds of Understanding; Two Kinds of Knowledge.

Two Kinds of Life; Two Kinds of Death.

March 16, 2014

When we begin to examine the two kinds of most everything in Scripture, like the two kinds of light or the two kinds of Gold or the two kinds of man, we should suddenly realize that there are two kinds of Realms.

One is visible and one is invisible.

There are natural realms and there are Spiritual realms.

There are temporal realms and there are Eternal Realms.

There are two kinds of births, one is born of perishable sperma and one is by the imperishable Sperma.

There is the old outer man and the new inner man.

If fact there are many, many of these seemly conflicting dimensions in the Scriptures.

Another example is the wonderful difference between Jacob and Israel even though both were the same man but different persons.

There is both Abram and Abraham who are two personalities but the same person.

All this is extremely confusing to the natural man that can only reason in the natural and visible realms.

These two conflicting realms are found in many visible churches which corporately have become strange mixtures of several different dimensions of these "kinds."

There may be some groups that are limited to natural understanding and there might be another group that functions out of revelation or partial revelation.

Of course the first group will evaluate the other group as radical or strange.

These two groups may find fellowship impossible even though both groups consider themselves to be Christian.

All these conflicting elements are magnified when we speak about "CHRIST" before the foundation or before creation.

His total involvement in the creation is confirmed because everything God created He created by His Word and without His Word was not anything created that was created.

Col 1:13 For He delivered us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the Kingdom of His Beloved Son,

14 in Whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

15 And He is the Image of the invisible God, the First-Born of all creation.

16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities – all things have been created by Him and for Him.

17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

There is no question that this is clearly speaking about Jesus Christ Who died for our sins.

It is also clear that Christ Jesus CREATED ALL THINGS both visible and invisible.

There is no doubt that "CHRIST" pre-existed EVERYTHING because He created EVERYTHING.

It is also clear that our redemption is ONLY by Christ Jesus and within the Kingdom of His Beloved Son.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.

3 All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was Life, and the Life was the Light of men.

Here again we see creation but the Creator is different, or is He?

In John 1 it is the Eternal Word that created all things and EVERYTHING came into being through Him.

This is VERY confusing and beyond the natural understanding of everybody who was born of natural sperma.

Here is a wonderful example of two kinds of understanding and two kinds of persons that sit side by side in the church service.

One of these persons has the ability to comprehend something from the invisible realms and the other has no ability to comprehend anything beyond the natural, visible realm.

Still, both consider themselves to be "Christian."

Heb 1:8 But of the Son He says, "THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

9 "THOU HAST LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, THY GOD, HATH ANOINTED THEE WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE THY COMPANIONS."

10 And, "THOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING DIDST LAY THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF THY HANDS.

Here, in this Scripture, the Son is called God and in the beginning He created all things in Heaven and in earth.

The Son of God, Who is God, created all things BEFORE all things existed.

In other words He didn't just re-arrange things that already existed but created all things that exist.

From this confusing Scripture it is clear that the Son of God pre-existed and He is God.

Nevertheless, Jesus was born 2000 years ago as a baby whose mother was Mary.

Is there any wonder that so many conflicting doctrines exist from group to group?

However, there are even more conflicting Scriptures that point to these other dimensions and realms of understanding.

Philip 2:5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,

6 Who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth,

11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Here we discover that Jesus existed in the form of God and was equal with God but He only carried the likeness of a man and appeared in the visible realm as man.

This implies that Jesus, Who is God and equal with God, only had the appearance of a man.

Just was an apparition or a ghost.

He appeared as a man but could certainly NOT be man but God posing as man.

The problem with this conclusion is that this Jesus died and shed His Blood and if He was God, could He die at all?

No, the God Who IS LIFE cannot die so NO REDEMPTION was possible.

It is Scriptures like these that we get the concept that Jesus was 100% Man and 100% God.

Of course if He and the Father are one then Jesus IS the Father and the Father is Jesus.

It is from concepts like this that we get the "Unity Doctrine" or the "Jesus Only Doctrine."

This doctrine says that Jesus is the Father, Jesus is the Son and Jesus is the Holy Spirit because God is ONE!

Therefore, Jesus IS God, Almighty!

For this reason Mary is the Mother of God!

At first reading of this Scripture it seems clear that Jesus pre-existed in the form of God but Jesus didn't insist upon that equality with God and Jesus humbled Himself to become a man and to die on the cross.

All this seems to be a terribly confusion of truth and conflicting facts which proves the Bible contradicts itself and so is irrelevant.

Many pastors have been confronted with these facts and the conflicting Scriptures and now only preach as a career or a job or as a business and not with a total confidence in the reality of these things.

For that reason only a casual "message" is required on Sunday because there is too much contradiction and fantasy in Scriptures.

Many pastors, who were true seekers, were confronted by these Scriptures in Seminary and their faith was destroyed.

We had fellowship with a pastor in a Moravian Church that had that testimony.

For that reason there are two kinds of ministry and two kinds of ministers.

The result is two kinds of church services:

  • one is irrelevant, and a big waste of time, and

  • the other is taking the believers on to perfection.

There are about 200 churches or religious organizations in our area and most will have conflicting doctrines but all consider themselves to be "Christian."

Now if we could prove that Christ existed BEFORE creation and He created all things, we could conclude that Christ, Who is Eternal Spirit, is also the Living and Abiding Word of God Who is Eternal Spirit.

Therefore, to say that Christ created all things or to say everything was created by His Word is just saying the same thing.

The BIG problem arises when we try to establish the Man, Christ Jesus, as pre-existent and that He is God, Almighty, and He created all things.

When we do that, and many ministers really do that, we make salvation, redemption, and reconciliation impossible because death / sin / separation / came through man so also salvation / redemption / resurrection must come through man.

Jesus, the Christ / Messiah of God and Christ Jesus the Resurrected Lord are both the same person but of different realms.

There are two kinds of births.

One for the outer man and one for the Inner Man.

Jesus is the Outer Man, born of God and Christ is the Inner Man born of God.

Both born by Sperma but in different realms and for different purposes.

1Pet 1:17 And if you address as Father the One Who impartially judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay upon earth;

18 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers,

19 but with precious Blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the Blood of Christ.

20 For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you 21 who through Him are believers in God, Who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 1Pet 1:22 Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart,

23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the Living and Abiding Word of God.

Was Jesus Christ FOREKNOWN before the world was?

Yes!

He was foreknown but NOT pre-existent.

He was born of Mary about 2000 years ago.

Why? For the Salvation of Mankind.

Still, there is another duality present.

2Cor 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that One died for all, therefore all died; 15 and He died for all, that they who live should no longer live for themselves, but for Him Who died and rose again on their behalf.

16 Therefore from now on we recognize no man according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

17 Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. 2Cor 5:18 Now all these things are from God, Who reconciled us to Himself through Christ, and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the Word of reconciliation.

20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were entreating through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 He made Him Who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

God, WAS IN CHRIST, reconciling.

Christ died but God did NOT die!

Christ did the dying and God did the reconciling.

This is nearly straight forward but how about this; we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were entreating through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

God was IN CHRIST JESUS reconciling but now He is in us ENTREATING.

Of course we might understand how God could be in Christ because they are one.

We might also understand how the Spirit of Christ was in Jesus because the Word became flesh in Jesus.

Joining Jesus with Christ should not create a shock for us.

Joining Christ with God should not be a shock for us.

Joining the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit should not create a shock for us.

Sitting Jesus Christ at the Right Hand of God should NOT create a shock for us.

But what if we conclude that Jesus, the Lamb of God, was slain from the creation of the world?

How could we explain that?

Some say that when Adam and Eve sinned that God killed His only begotten Son, Jesus, to make garments for Adam and Eve.

This sounds ridiculous but what if we could find a Scripture that confirmed that fact?

Everybody should know that Jesus was the Lamb of God.

We also found a doctrine (not a Scripture) that said that God slew His Son BEFORE creation began and then resurrected Him so His Son could create everything.

Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast-all whose names have not been written in the Lamb's book of life, the Lamb Who was slain from the creation of the world.

In Hebrews 1 it clearly says of the Son;

Heb 1:8 But about the Son He says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of Your Kingdom.

Heb 1:10 He also says, "In the beginning, Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

11 They will perish, but You remain; they will all wear out like a garment.

12 You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed.

But You remain the same, and Your years will never end."

I am NOT pointing all this confusion out to destroy your faith but to reveal that every Scripture or eternal Truth cannot be evaluated with logic, exegesis, research or by natural understanding.

Every believer is expected to mature in their new inner man to be able to assimilate these truths within the New Species of Man.

The New Species has been assigned a Wisdom from God by which he can comprehend these Eternal Truths."

"But why does God make these thing so difficult?

Surely He could make all these things more easily understood by our natural abilities."

The fact is if God did that there would be no reason to grow up in the new inner man or to go on to perfection.

God never intended the Adam man to understand any of these eternal things. Why?

You MUST be born again just to see the Kingdom in the distance.

You MUST be born of the Water AND the Spirit to enter into these Kingdom Realms.

"But, Brother, we cannot be bothered with all these Growth Problems or to be reconciled to God as FAR AS THE KINGDOM dimension."

Then confusion in these realms will be your destiny.

"But, Brother, why don't you just tell us the answer to all these things so we can understand with the pitiful ability (the down payment) that we have now?"

In this time period we would rather work with God than to work against God.

Even though I cannot give an intelligent answer to these questions, there is a wide open way that has been made available for each one of us into this next dimension of revelation.

The problem is that this next Realm is in the invisible dimensions and beyond our natural ability to comprehend.

God's Eternal Purpose requires that we make the transition BEFORE we have access to these Eternal Realms of Showbread Revelation.

If you insist upon taking the casual approach to theses mysteries you will surely be disappointed with the results.

However, you will be with multitudes of other casual believers who have depended upon others to teach them these invisible things.

You may have your plan but God established His Plan BEFORE the Foundation and it is set in stone.

It is probably better to go with God's Plan.

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